That Lady in the Red Hat was an ACTRESS!

yochana · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 54 Location: Belfast

I taped it - the usual speech is still there at the start.

JudithS · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 79 Location: Bromley

Has anyone here tried the making-someone-stop trick? I haven't yet but I'm planning to! - JudithS

Go Go Yubari · Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 6:36 pm Post subject:

Too much effort. It's much easier to make someone's "ears bleed" by firing a high-powered staple gun at the back of their head.
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Cardcaptor Charlie · Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 8:28 pm Post subject:

Mr Twain · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 839 Location: In flux

Sure thing, Cardcaptor-chap.

Cardcaptor Charlie · Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 8:51 pm Post subject:

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hoho.. this forum gets better everyday Wink

Aviva · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 2922 Location: West London

To be honest, Go Go, when I saw that stripey hat woman last night I thought "actress" too. There was something about her that suggested that but I've never really seriously considered Derren overtly lies about things like categorically not using actors. If he did lie then it would belittle his performance considerably for me.

MissX · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 109

I thought there was something very odd about the way she acted. I'm wondering if it's as simple as having to do a second take. Maybe she freaked out and told them to fuck off and leave her the hell alone. Maybe she had to have the whole thing explained before she would allow them to film. It would explain why she seemed a little rehearsed.
I can't imagine Derren lies about that kind of thing. It would be too risky. I'm sure there are many possible explanations as to why the woman in the stripey hat came across as she did.
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temp · Joined: 29 May 2004 Posts: 4

Hello forum...

Yes, in my opinion she probably was an actress, reasons for thinking this are twofold:

1 - the way she was 'acting' (ho ho)

2 - I can't think of any other way of it happening Very Happy

But it's important to remember that we, the viewers, weren't the focus of this effect - the woman in the room was. With this in mind, I think it's perfectly reasonable to use an actress simply for the profound effect it had on the subject. The first part was the real stuff, which set up the kicker. A very cleverly worked routine, the first part made possible the second, however it was worked. The woman in the street was just part of the routine, not *the* trick in itself...

Go Go Yubari · Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 10:10 pm Post subject:

I like MissX's explanation. It sounds quite plausible.

The camera crew accosted the red hat woman, explained who they were and what was going on, and asked her to let them film the whole thing again as if it were happening for the first time. The woman may have seen this as an opportunity to display her dubious amateur dramatics skills.

And I didn't like the idea of DB being an out-and-out liar either. You're right. It would've been horribly risky in his line of work. But he is documented as liking to take dangerous risks now and then...
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Go Go Yubari · Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 10:16 pm Post subject:

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urchin · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 9:37 am Post subject:

i have watched this clip twice now and am convinced she was an actress.

my main reason for thinking this is very simple, if someone comes legging it up to you in the street with a big camera, you would glance unnervingly into the camera lens at last once, its the natural thing to do.....

this woman doesn't look at the camera at all
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Go Go Yubari · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 10:19 am Post subject:

Someone said something similar about the actors in that show, 'Bedsitcom' (which was produced by Andrew O'Connor as well funnily enough). You could tell exactly who they were because, unlike the real people in the show, they never once acknowledged the camera.

I don't know much about drama training but I'm sure it gets dinned into students until it becomes automatic to treat the camera as if it doesn't exist. Whereas the non-actors see people behind the camera, and of course treat them as exactly that - people. To be included in whatever is going on.

I'd still go for MissX's explanation, though. She was a rehearsed member of the public.
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Mr Twain · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 839 Location: In flux

What no one appears to have pointed out is that there were two cameras. The first was trained on the young woman and surrounded by a substantial crew - the second briefly shows the crew approaching the girl from the opposite angle. However, you did not see any shots of *that* camera - which suggests very strongly that this was filmed separately and inserted.

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Go Go Yubari · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 5:13 pm Post subject:

dotcouk · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 139

Bear with me, this does have significance to this thread.
I remember watching one of the first David Blaine shows when he did his "levitation" on the street trick, also the "3 of clubs inside the car trick"
and I was totally gob-smacked. I was working with an amateur magician at the time (not as an assistant, I hasten to add. I was just working in the same office as him) and he didn't reveal how it was done, but did tell us he had just purchased the "3 of clubs" trick. He was in the process of perfecting it and would then perform it for us.
This made me a little less in awe of Blaine. Then about a year ago, I accidentally tuned into one of these "Greatest Magic Tricks Revealed" programmes and they showed that anyone could do the levitating thing, but Blaine must of used added footage, with Forklift Truck and cut it into the genuine "street" footage, to make it look more impressive.
I have a feeling that Blaine also made a disclaimer about everything in the show being "genuine". Consequently, I avoid "Reveal" programmes and explanations like the plague, because it spoils my pleasure.
If the "woman in the stripey hat" wasn't a stooge, then I have no idea how the effect was achieved (and quite frankly, I don't want to know).
Sometimes, Derren gives clues as to how he achieves effects and I'm ok with that, sometimes it is more obvious anyway and it's just the way it's performed that fascinates me (like the subliminal "supermarket" thing).
But what ever it is, he is supremely more charismatic and humerous than Blaine. (And much, much sexier)!. I couldn't give a fig if he uses actors or stooges.

DukeDeMondo · Joined: 25 May 2004 Posts: 14 Location: Northern Ireland

The thing about if the woman was an actor or not becuase how obvious was it that she was wearing a red hat, you have to remember that the woman tried another pedestrian first, and it didn't work.
Maybe that was to throw everyone off the scent.
I admit that there have been times in past shows when i thought there might be actors involved, but after seeing the live show i'm convinced there isn't.
Except for them folks in the phone boxes. I still have my doubts about them.

James Godfrey · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 8:10 pm Post subject: SHE WAS

The women was an actress in my opinion...

albie · Joined: 29 May 2004 Posts: 65

Derren is lying, but about what?

I don't see how suggestion can work on someone with their back turned, outside in the street, and Derren seems to not believe in psychic powers.

Either he does have psychic powers or she was a stooge. Simple as that.

Which is more likely?

Might I add how the woman didn't seem too interested in why a camera crew comes running up behind her to ask her stupid questions. I would be like 'why are you asking me, what's going on'. Yet she was content to just answer and go.

Stooge.

dark_angel · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 61

If she was an actress though then as is said so many times - she could make a fortune from the tabloids with an exposure piece, unless of course she is extremely committed to her 1 minute appearance on the series. Why is it that when something cannot be explained away immediately everyone shouts "stooge"?

albie · Joined: 29 May 2004 Posts: 65

He pays them a thousand pound a year for as long as they keep his secret.

Or he takes them to a secret room and hypnotosses them off, and the trauma makes them forget.

Are you saying he DOES have psychic powers then? Or he CAN suggest things to people miles away, with their backs turned?

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