That Lady in the Red Hat was an ACTRESS!

Go Go Yubari

Last TOTM: During the "Stop" illusion, (Can't think of a better title for it) when the lady off the street is asked to stand at the window and will a passer-by to stop and turn, a lady in a red hat actually does that. But when she is vox-popped afterwards and explains why she stopped, didn't she come across as being a little too studied to be true. To cut to the chase, imho, she had
ACTRESS written all over her.

What do you lot think?

I know Derren always says that no stooges or plants are used in the making of the show, but have we considered the possibility he may be lying through his teeth.
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ricky_south · Joined: 29 May 2004 Posts: 11 Location: cranleigh, surrey

Maybe he does not use them during the show but before the show.
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Kate · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 224 Location: Stoke-on-Trent

I have not seen the show yet, as my sister taped the wrong channel...*DOH!* but they were telling me about it, and non of my family were convinced that the woman was a genuine unsuspecting member of the public.

I mean, what are the chances of someone walking along wearing a highly distinguishable red hat just at the time a woman is asked to pick someone? It's obvious she will pick the one in the hat as its the easiest one to point out.

I think Derren could well be lying...i mean he does lie a lot throughout his shows and stuff. We should not trust him, he is a sneaky one!

Apologies for this post if it goes into magical exposure, or anything! I have not seen the show so this is only on what i have heard.

icematrix · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 82

seemed a little confuzzled to me, like she had perhaps been under the influence of some post-hypnotic suggestion. also looking remarkable similar to the poor individuals as they wake in the phonebox effect. does someone count as a stooge, if they don't aid consciously?

and yes, confuzzled is actually a word.

2am · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 104 Location: Exeter, Devon

A hat over the ears would also cover a radio pretty well, but I'd like to believe it was real... Hmmm.

Lolly Pertwhistle · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1799

I think this has gone far enough now surely? In know it is only speculation... bleh blah bleh blah...

Oh for a password secured area where you could choose to go if you wanted to discuss specifics of a trick... I wonder if that's possible? I don't suppose it would even have to be password protected... It could be called the Speculation Forum... And have a stern warning not to bitch and complain if you read something you don't want to. Except it would probably end up being magical exposure and then Derren Brown would wake up to find a message from the Magic Circle in his bed.

icematrix · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 82

or maybe there was just a bloke by the window in the floor below who shouted "oi you in the hat" at an opportune moment, and ducked out of sight.

am also a little concerned why the woman was interviewed by some completely random woman, not derren. the rational explanation would be that he couldn't run that fast from the building to the street, but i'm not particularly rational.

Cardcaptor Charlie · Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 12:30 pm Post subject:

Go Go Yubari · Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 12:46 pm Post subject:

C'mon folks, it can't be considered exposure because nobody knows for sure if the woman in the red hat was a stooge. We're just sharing our opinions. Surely there's nothing wrong in that.

Believe me, if anyone dared to post here with proof that the woman was a stooge, I'd be the first to pulverise them.

But if they want to PM me with the info, I'd probably be quite lenient...
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Go Go Yubari · Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 12:47 pm Post subject:

Maybe the more important question is who was the flamenco dancer with the rose in her hair who did the vox-popping??
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Cardcaptor Charlie · Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 12:48 pm Post subject:

yochana · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 58 Location: Belfast

I don't know...the red hat lady did seem a little odd. But then wouldn't you be a bit freaked out of a camera crew ran up to you in the street and knew that you'd just stopped and turned around?

Go Go Yubari · Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 12:51 pm Post subject:

Heather · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 339 Location: Oxford

salsa_dancer · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1088

Poor Derren... when will he just be allowed to entertain without everyone jumping up and down saying 'I know how it is done!!!'

Evil or Very Mad

Go Go Yubari · Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 12:59 pm Post subject:

Hasn't Derren always said that he enjoys courting, if not controversy, then definitely speculation. He wanted to break away from magic because it was viewed as just "entertainment" and dismissed by most people. The stuff he does now cries out to be dissected and argued over, and that's what he wants, surely.

If we all just gasped, ooo'ed and ahhh'ed, and then forgot about it, he'd be most upset.
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Lolly Pertwhistle · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1799

I'm not particularly fussed about what Derren Brown wants. Very Happy

I'm not entirely sure why I'm complaining... You labelled the thread quite clearly so I could have avoided reading it if I wanted to. I suppose that I know there are less considerate people in the world than you.

Just for the record, it wasn't the speculation about the woman being an actress that spurred me to reply, that was obviously going to be mooted. But there are some things that have been said that I thought as I was watching but wouldn't post here.

salsa_dancer · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1088

But surely if we are to speculate and dissect, then come up with the theory that he uses actors and stooges then we might as well say that he is shit...

Give me half a dozen actors and I will put together a show that blows Derren Brown out of the water.....

To speculate that he uses actors and/or stooges is taking the easy option as to how he does his effects.

Rolling Eyes

Lolly Pertwhistle · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1799

Yeah, but people are always going to say that Salsa precisely because it is such an easy way to explain it. And who knows, it could well be the truth... Wink

It is detailed speculation that really roots around in the workings of the trick that I don't like... Because the deeper you go, the more details you think you might have worked out, the less enchanting the trick becomes.

I loved the woman in the window trick and I'm looking forward to seeing it repeated and being wowed again, picking up more details for myself etc. I might well have suspected the woman in the hat, I might well have had similar hat related thoughts... but I am choosing to ignore them at the moment... Like they never existed in the first place Very Happy

And before anyone says it... I'm actively choosing to be brain washed, not to question the basic tennets of the thing I am placing my faith in. In every other aspect of my life I question and prod and poke and generally pull apart and analyse... I like magic to be a temporary escape from that. Don't spoil it for me *bottom lip quivers and tears shimmer in wide blue eyes*... I have enough trouble containing my curiosity so that I don't spoil it for me.

Cardcaptor Charlie · Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 1:34 pm Post subject:

Go Go Yubari · Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 2:20 pm Post subject:

I would never have dreamed of crying 'STOOGE!' if it wasn't for the fact that that red hat lady seemed so-o ... not exactly fake, but exaggerated. It just leapt out at me, and it's the first time watching any of Derren's shows that this has happened. It's like what Reese Shearsmith says on the DVD - 'Actress!' Often you can tell an actor straightaway even if they're doing their utmost to appear natural.

I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's something to do with the fact that their every movement feels conscious, and contrived for effect. They try too hard.
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Splatt · Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 3 Location: Enfield, UK

He said that if you believe something enough and don't doubt it in your heart, that it will work. This isn't just summin he said, it's well known on the religious front too - Jesus said it (Mark 11), & also Neale Donald Walsch said it. Either way, whenever I've implememntd this principle in my daily life (ok, maybe not turning people round n stuff) it's worked. It would explain a lot, like the losing ticket winning at Walthamstow Greyhound racing
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Believe without a doubt in your heart that it will happen...and it will

salsa_dancer · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1088

OMG!!!!!!! Splatt you have the funniest Avatar I have seen in a looooooooong time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Laughing

2am · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 104 Location: Exeter, Devon

Lets be honest, if you see a thread refering to a partcular trick, what did you expect it to have in it other than speculation and discussion on how it may or may not have been achieved.

Mr Twain · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1322 Location: In flux

Would someone please tell me what's so dangerous about speculation? Have some of our forum members just returned from a trip to Stepford, by any chance?

Without speculation this would just be a forum devoted solely to slapping Derren on the back and discussing his fanciability...

Oh, it already is.

Anyway - can I suggest that forum members put the word *SPECULATION* in big letters in their title in future - just like those poor people who frequent Sci-Fi boards use the term *SPOILERS* to avoid upsetting their Trek-bothering brethren. That should help keep the wonder alive for DB's less inquisitive fen.

P.S. Don't lump me in with Mr Godfrey Cardcapter-bloke - I know the difference between speculation and exposure. I never go near the latter.

BTW - one thing did cross my mind. Did anyone tape this edition of TotM? Did Derren actually include the actors and stooges bit in his opening speech this week - or did we just think he did?

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