FAQ   Search   Memberlist    www.derrenbrown.co.uk     Profile   You have no new messages   Log out [ papillion ]  A Hypothetical Performance Question Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next          www.derrenbrownforum.com Forum Index -> Performances View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message TC Forumite Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 1354 Location: In my own world - it's okay they know me here Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:39 pm    Post subject: *waves a hand in front of phoenixz* These are not the droids you're looking for. EDIT: the nail & nose thing was the series before last wasn't it? I'm sure it's on the DVD. _________________ There's malice and there's magic in every season - (Elvis Costello) Back to top SpasmTheCat Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345 Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:28 pm    Post subject: Yep, it's on the 'Trick Of The Mind' DVD, isn't it? I'd like to see him do something with nightmares personally. Maybe manipulate someones dreams to engineer some seriously twisted things... I'm heading off into seriously dark mind-fuckery again, aren't I! _________________ "The more times the man himself lies, the more times he will come back to life having his own forum" ~ AnnaM on Karma Back to top phoenixz On Her Fiery Plume Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 2411 Location: Atop her Enchanted Tree in S.Wales Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:52 pm    Post subject: f my mind SpasmTheCat wrote: Yep, it's on the 'Trick Of The Mind' DVD, isn't it? I'd like to see him do something with nightmares personally. Maybe manipulate someones dreams to engineer some seriously twisted things... I'm heading off into seriously dark mind-fuckery again, aren't I! Keep going, we like the mind-f**kery TC: Yes i have seen the nail up the nose, love that there is a travelling freak show in america....jim rose i believe he does some funky stuff..... This is what we need, some serious mind....well spasm you had it correct to turn a phrase mind fu**ery Can you minipulate dreams? Are we talking about putting someone into a "trance like sleep" and suggesting/minipulation in this way or mind bending them so that when they sleep at night they dream what you wish them to dream? _________________ Tis the Season of GOOD WILL So i'll be good if you will............ Derren is my Dealer........... Back to top SpasmTheCat Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345 Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: f my mind phoenixz wrote: Can you minipulate dreams? Are we talking about putting someone into a "trance like sleep" and suggesting/minipulation in this way or mind bending them so that when they sleep at night they dream what you wish them to dream? Hmmm, I like the second one! I wonder if you could use suggestion to make someone dream what you want them to dream? Or at least think they have? _________________ "The more times the man himself lies, the more times he will come back to life having his own forum" ~ AnnaM on Karma Back to top phoenixz On Her Fiery Plume Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 2411 Location: Atop her Enchanted Tree in S.Wales Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:59 pm    Post subject: hypno toad but would it be real sleep or would it be......hynosis type sleep? i know absolutly nothing about hypnosis other than what i have learned from paul mcKenna _________________ Tis the Season of GOOD WILL So i'll be good if you will............ Derren is my Dealer........... Back to top SpasmTheCat Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345 Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:06 pm    Post subject: Me neither! How about a day where suggestions are implanted all around the person, and then he goes to sleep at night and dreams what you want to him to dream? That would be more interesting than a hypnotic sleep. Mind you, it's not too reliable, I wouldn't have thought, and it's not much fun to watch! *imagines some bloke just rolling around in bed groaning, and yelling 'No! He's a mindf**ker!' at odd moments* _________________ "The more times the man himself lies, the more times he will come back to life having his own forum" ~ AnnaM on Karma Back to top phoenixz On Her Fiery Plume Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 2411 Location: Atop her Enchanted Tree in S.Wales Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:17 pm    Post subject: the darkness inside or spending the entire day mind bending to have your subject look at a flowerpot and dream of triffids all night ok, so what else in the realms of darkness would be good? _________________ Tis the Season of GOOD WILL So i'll be good if you will............ Derren is my Dealer........... Back to top SpasmTheCat Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345 Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:21 pm    Post subject: Or just dream of a killer flowerpot! I was just thinking about a lucid dream I had once. In it, I suddenly realised that I was awake and could manipulate the dream in any way I wanted. I made Mike Nelson appear and asked him a question! It only lasted a few minutes before I drifted back into regular dream again, but it was a very weird feeling. But it made me wonder, if it's possible to think you're awake when you're actually dreaming, is it possible to think you're dreaming when you're actually awake? *strokes imaginary goatee with one eyebrow raised* _________________ "The more times the man himself lies, the more times he will come back to life having his own forum" ~ AnnaM on Karma Back to top phoenixz On Her Fiery Plume Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 2411 Location: Atop her Enchanted Tree in S.Wales Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:30 pm    Post subject: lucid SpasmTheCat wrote: Or just dream of a killer flowerpot! I was just thinking about a lucid dream I had once. In it, I suddenly realised that I was awake and could manipulate the dream in any way I wanted. I made Mike Nelson appear and asked him a question! It only lasted a few minutes before I drifted back into regular dream again, but it was a very weird feeling. But it made me wonder, if it's possible to think you're awake when you're actually dreaming, is it possible to think you're dreaming when you're actually awake? *strokes imaginary goatee with one eyebrow raised* i have had lucid dreams, in fact not on the rare occasion i suddenly realise i am asleep and can minipulate the dream i have also thought that i have been awake when actually dreaming, this somtimes happens if i have something important the next day and i run the entire day through my mind i once drempt that someone i knew died, woke up crying my eyes out and had to check that it wasn't true i also find that with "lucid" dreams, if i actually wake up but am in the middle of something or having some sort of conversation or experience i can pick it up again when i come to sleep that night it's almost like i never let the dream go through the day, like it's constantly at the back of my mind...... _________________ Tis the Season of GOOD WILL So i'll be good if you will............ Derren is my Dealer........... Back to top SpasmTheCat Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345 Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:34 pm    Post subject: I'd love to have more lucid dreams, but I just can't seem to keep them going. I fall back into regular dreams again. I wonder if there's a way you can practice! _________________ "The more times the man himself lies, the more times he will come back to life having his own forum" ~ AnnaM on Karma Back to top phoenixz On Her Fiery Plume Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 2411 Location: Atop her Enchanted Tree in S.Wales Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:43 pm    Post subject: lucy? no idea, they just happen although what if you have more lucid dreams than you think and just don't remember when you wake up? _________________ Tis the Season of GOOD WILL So i'll be good if you will............ Derren is my Dealer........... Back to top SpasmTheCat Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345 Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:55 pm    Post subject: Good point, good point! I can only go by the dreams I do remember, and they're all so freaky that they couldn't possibly have been lucid at the time! _________________ "The more times the man himself lies, the more times he will come back to life having his own forum" ~ AnnaM on Karma Back to top littlemiss Really Nice Person Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 2315 Location: Sitting in the corner slowly rocking backwards and forwards Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:01 am    Post subject: Can i be really thick and ask what Lucid means? I appologies for my stupidity. _________________ Back to top phoenixz On Her Fiery Plume Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 2411 Location: Atop her Enchanted Tree in S.Wales Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:04 am    Post subject: aware aware of your surroundings capable of independant thought _________________ Tis the Season of GOOD WILL So i'll be good if you will............ Derren is my Dealer........... Back to top littlemiss Really Nice Person Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 2315 Location: Sitting in the corner slowly rocking backwards and forwards Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:06 am    Post subject: Thanks Phoe . It would of bugged me otherwise. _________________ Back to top phoenixz On Her Fiery Plume Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 2411 Location: Atop her Enchanted Tree in S.Wales Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:09 am    Post subject: and we continue? SpasmTheCat wrote: Good point, good point! I can only go by the dreams I do remember, and they're all so freaky that they couldn't possibly have been lucid at the time! absolute proof that a certain mentalist hatched amidst a box of christmas cards....... so.....where were we? _________________ Tis the Season of GOOD WILL So i'll be good if you will............ Derren is my Dealer........... Back to top SpasmTheCat Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345 Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:13 am    Post subject: Yes! You see? So...how about engineering a nightmare? Making the person think that they are asleep when they're actually awake and experiencing all the horrors that you've arranged for them? Then getting them back to bed again. How would they feel when they woke up in the morning? Would they think it had all just been a regular nightmare? You could do it with three people who've never met, and bring them all into the same nightmare. Then make sure they run across each other in the morning! (It's a good job I don't make TV programmes, isn't it! I'd get my ass sued off!) _________________ "The more times the man himself lies, the more times he will come back to life having his own forum" ~ AnnaM on Karma Back to top TC Forumite Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 1354 Location: In my own world - it's okay they know me here Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:49 am    Post subject: SpasmTheCat wrote: You could do it with three people who've never met, and bring them all into the same nightmare. Then make sure they run across each other in the morning! You could recreate places and situations the following day and make it like a bad case of deja vu. _________________ There's malice and there's magic in every season - (Elvis Costello) Back to top phoenixz On Her Fiery Plume Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 2411 Location: Atop her Enchanted Tree in S.Wales Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:53 am    Post subject: hyno-z's and deja SpasmTheCat wrote: Yes! You see? So...how about engineering a nightmare? Making the person think that they are asleep when they're actually awake and experiencing all the horrors that you've arranged for them? Then getting them back to bed again. How would they feel when they woke up in the morning? Would they think it had all just been a regular nightmare? You could do it with three people who've never met, and bring them all into the same nightmare. Then make sure they run across each other in the morning! (It's a good job I don't make TV programmes, isn't it! I'd get my ass sued off!) Isn't that shades of the z game? But i like the three people in one nightmare idea..... and the de-ja vu, _________________ Tis the Season of GOOD WILL So i'll be good if you will............ Derren is my Dealer........... Back to top SpasmTheCat Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345 Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:17 am    Post subject: It is a bit, isn't it? Hmmm. Maybe I should replace the nightmare stuff with just freaky, weird, dream-type stuff instead... Imagine, though, thinking that you've had a dream in which you and two other strangers were being chased by a scary, toy-monkey-wielding magician, only to meet the two other people at breakfast and see said same toy monkey sitting in the middle of the table. That's killer déja vu! You'd be totally thrown, wouldn't you? Especially if you then talked to the other two and found out they'd had the same dream. You'd be looking for the scary magician all day (cue numerous fleeting glimpses)... _________________ "The more times the man himself lies, the more times he will come back to life having his own forum" ~ AnnaM on Karma Back to top phoenixz On Her Fiery Plume Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 2411 Location: Atop her Enchanted Tree in S.Wales Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:19 pm    Post subject: Droids and Monkey Wielding SpasmTheCat wrote: Imagine, though, thinking that you've had a dream in which you and two other strangers were being chased by a scary, toy-monkey-wielding magician, I think that would f**k you up for life..... monkey wielding These are not the droids your looking for....... How about......(goes to have a think) _________________ Tis the Season of GOOD WILL So i'll be good if you will............ Derren is my Dealer........... Back to top SpasmTheCat Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345 Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:42 pm    Post subject: "Have you ever had a dream so vivid you were convinced it was real? Well, perhaps it was..." Now that's mindf**kery. You'd never sleep again! _________________ "The more times the man himself lies, the more times he will come back to life having his own forum" ~ AnnaM on Karma Back to top phoenixz On Her Fiery Plume Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 2411 Location: Atop her Enchanted Tree in S.Wales Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:50 pm    Post subject: i see no ships ah, doubting ones own mind and memories no but i saw it, therfore it must be real....... _________________ Tis the Season of GOOD WILL So i'll be good if you will............ Derren is my Dealer........... Back to top SpasmTheCat Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345 Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:10 pm    Post subject: I feel like I've sold my soul to the Devil. So many dark thoughts, and this little Sanctuary of a thread to release them in... _________________ "The more times the man himself lies, the more times he will come back to life having his own forum" ~ AnnaM on Karma Back to top phoenixz On Her Fiery Plume Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 2411 Location: Atop her Enchanted Tree in S.Wales Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:19 pm    Post subject: The Devil's Advocate SpasmTheCat wrote: I feel like I've sold my soul to the Devil. So many dark thoughts... Oh THAT? I bought that on e-bay, i keep it in a jar marked Spasm's Soul, Some bearded, half faun, cape wearing, parrot loving dude..... If you can see the darkness and recognise it, your ok It's when your lost in it and the dark thoughts outweigh the good ones, then you need to worry Ok, over the period of two days i have now referred to him as our king and the devil, at what point should i start to worry about this? _________________ Tis the Season of GOOD WILL So i'll be good if you will............ Derren is my Dealer........... 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