A Hypothetical Performance Question

Lolly Pertwhistle · Forumite Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 4881

Oh no... by all means do the ghostly apparition thing in a public place to start with... Perhaps in the pedestrian tunnels around South Kensington station... I find those spooky rather than menacing (the tunnels under Park Lane around the Marble Arch area are menacing, for example).

So yes, perhaps your apparition could appear at several points along the route... almost like it is leading the victim. That way you've got scope for public reactions. From Kensington Gore down into the tunnels... from the ticket hall to the platform... And then on to somewhere secluded and spooky, like Aldwych, where you can finish him off in privacy. So to speak.

You'd have to get your victim to change from the District line on to a Central Line train in order to be able to get him on to the branch line from Holborn though. But that's just logistics. It's simple enough to get someone to follow a particular route.
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SpasmTheCat · Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject:

Sorry - just bumping this so that we don't lose any of these ideas! Wink

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The Aldwych platform is actually adjacent to the Piccadilly Line at Holborn. I used to use it, many years ago. It's actually easier to move from the District Line to the Piccadilly Line than it is to go to the Central Line, but in fact, Aldwych station is really quite close to Temple. It's easier to walk it, plus I'm not sure if the line from Holborn to Aldwych is safe.

Anyone remember 'Night Train', that show Richard O'Brien used to host? The links were filmed at Aldwych.
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Corpsie · Squatter Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 174

Surely it would be more practical to set it up somewhere along the circle/piccadilly line where the tunnels expand to fit several sets of tracks. All you need to do is get the train to stop, light the ghost and maybe short the carriage lights.

The Chicken · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject:

I'm not going to read all the pages so perhaps someone has already mentioned this, but actually a point that occurred to me during The Heist was- instead of holding up a security van and stealing, could Derren have made the four people kill?.

Surely if normally, morally, they would not even consider holding someone at gunpoint and stealing money, an action that would almost certainly have landed them in prison, but Derren manipulated them into doing it anyway, could the same be applied to murder?

He touched on it with the Milgram experiment. He showed that they could be instructed to administer harmful and what they had been told to be lethal shocks to someone, simply because they were being told to do it by someone in a more authoratative position.

I'm not saying that I would have liked to see this, I'm sure it would be horrible viewing, but how far could Derren take it?

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phoenixz · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:35 pm Post subject: to kill

No, he couldn't have made them kill......

hang on....

well, techically the milgram experiment did make them kill......

or potentially

um......

you can't make anyone do what they don't want to do.......
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janus · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject:

wow.........what a stretch.......idea was to scare NOT kill......(Milgram EXP, did not suggest killing either Wink

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back to ghostly apparitions.....
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The Chicken · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject:

Noo no, I'm not saying that Derren should have made them kill, I'm just wondering whether he could have. Just a scary thought.

And the whole "you can't make someone do something they don't want to" is what has said about "hypnosis". Does that mean you think that's how Derren did the The Heist? If he wasn't using hypnosis (whether he says it exists or not) then would other methods allow him to manipulate to do something they didn't want to do? Surely that's what happened during the show. Those people thought that they were inflicting pain on someone with electric shocks. They didn't want to do it, but they did. Hmm?
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SpasmTheCat · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject:

Hmmm, I wonder if he could make someone else kill if he didn't suggest it directly? In the same way as The Heist? That way the person would think it was their own decision to stab someone through the heart with a pair of scissors... Twisted Evil

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TC · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject:

Do you think 'Derren made me do it'' should be a new plea you are able to enter in your defence?

Does anyone know of any case law existing where someone has claimed that they were hypnotised into doing something against their will?
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janus · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject:

TC · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject:

But do you think courts may accept a plea of diminished responibility if you claimed you'd been hypnotised into doing something naughty?
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janus · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject:

TC · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject:

I can picture it now. Twisted Evil

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janus · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject:

*whispers to TC* (am thinking MR. Brown....soon) Wink

carry on.........
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TC · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject:

That sounds like a plan to me Janus. Twisted Evil

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SpasmTheCat · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject:

Heh heh, Janus!

I'm going to have a google for that later on, TC - sounds interesting!
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SpasmTheCat · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:13 am Post subject:

Just bumping this so we don't lose our ideas... Wink

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Amethyst Ocean Light · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject:

SpasmTheCat · Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:56 am Post subject:

Heh heh, cool, Amethyst!

Here's an idea; would Derren be able to influence people to perform certain actions through the mainpulation of a website, do you think?

*deliberately avoids the word 'forum'*

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phoenixz · Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:17 am Post subject: manipulation: Derren made me

SpasmTheCat · Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:53 am Post subject:

Heh heh!

Yep, it's all very well hypnotising one chap with a video game, but would he be able to influence loads on a website? On his website, maybe? He could raise a brainwashed fan army to take over the world! Mwahahaha! *ahem* or get them all to do some kind of simple movement or something. Of course, you'd need to get them to film themselves - that would be the difficult bit!
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phoenixz · Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:29 am Post subject: feelings