A Hypothetical Performance Question

SpasmTheCat · Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345

This morbid little thought occurred to me today, and I wonder if it might make for an interesting discussion.

Could Derren use his persuasive/manipulative skills to actually convince someone that they were dead? And what would happen?
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debbie20 · Forum Spice Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 1175

But how is that possible as being dead would mean having no consciousness and as long as you were conscious you would know you were alive.I supose he may be able to convince they were living in the afterlife but that would have to correspond a great deal to their preconceptions of an afterlife.He would have to manipulate that preconception.

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debbie20 · Forum Spice Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 1175

I'm sure it has been done before.It would no doubt be similar to people who have had near death experiences or people who have claimed to have experience with aliens.

SpasmTheCat · Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345

debbie20 · Forum Spice Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 1175

He would perhaps have to convince them of how they died and fixate this in their mind so that they are so convinced they are not alive.Maybe take them in their minds to their own funeral.Once they are so convinced they are dead their preconceptions of an afterlife will fade and they will just accept their surroundings.They will maybe believe they are a ghost.

SpasmTheCat · Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345

Hmmm, that sounds like it would involve a bit of hypnotism, and I'm not sure I believe in any of that...

Perhaps he could convince them that they have no pulse? And if he did, would they panic?
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debbie20 · Forum Spice Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 1175

I can't see any other way of convincing someone they are dead.If he managed to convince someone they had no pulse nad therefore must be dead would they not wonder how they are still talking to Derren.He would also have to convince them that he is some kind of mystic.

SpasmTheCat · Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345

Gawd, it'll be the Brown Raja all over again! Very Happy

I don't know if the mind would accept or reject the idea - I suppose it depends how it's implanted?
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AnnaM · Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:56 pm Post subject:

That might be somewhat weird.
Either you just get a shoots of a person thinking they are dead so they are just unconscious and that is no entertainment.
Or you wake up and think "oh I am dead" and then cry for all the people you won't see again and that is no entertainment.
Or you look at DB and think "I am dead and gone to heaven"
Or you look at DB and think "ffs I am sharing eternity in hell with Derren"
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debbie20 · Forum Spice Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 1175

I don't think convincing someone they had no pulse would be enough to convince them they are dead.I mean nothing has changed.They had no sensations of death, nothing in their surroundings has changed,they still have all the sensations of being alive.
I don't think it's possible to convince someone they are dead as if they canstill conjure up all the emotions of being alive and still are aware they have an extended body.You could probably convince them they are in some kind of realm between the living and the dead which again is like near death experience.
For entertainment you would want to see someone walking around completely convinced that they are a ghost and seeing what they would do.But his has ramifications as the person could become completely traumatised and feel helpless.

SpasmTheCat · Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345

*laughs at Anna's last two suggestions!*

Perhaps convincing someone that they are dead would be too difficult for the conscious mind to grasp...

How about convincing someone that he owned their soul and had it with him in a jar?
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AnnaM · Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject:

Now that might actually work."Oh noooo I sold my soul to Derren(and all I got in return is a lousy painting)!!!" "He keeps my soul in a jar!!!"

The question is if we already sold our souls when we signed up to forum. Shocked

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SpasmTheCat · Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345

Heh heh! Good question!

I wonder what someone would do to get it back again? Or would they just believe they were his slave or summat?
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debbie20 · Forum Spice Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 1175

If I was convinced Derren had my soul ina jar I would not be complaining.When I'm dead I get to live in his house and spy on him forever.What could be better than that?Unless he got sick of my soul and dumped it.

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AnnaM · Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject:

Derren shakes Spams soul in eerie manner after she willingly signed up to forum
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SpasmTheCat · Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345

Heh heh! Perhaps the forum IS one huge snowglobe after all!

*pokes Anna for calling her 'Spams'*
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debbie20 · Forum Spice Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 1175

Presumably the person would try and smash the jar and hope the soul returns to their body.
Or else they would plead desperately with Derren to return it.
People always associate their soul with goodness so maybe they would be convinced they are devoid of goodness as it is all locked in a jar and would commit start to commit evil acts that Derren instructed them to do.
Oooh the possibilities.

AnnaM · Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:17 pm Post subject:

I am sorry Spaz.I am just odd today.I didn't notice that I typed it like that.
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debbie20 · Forum Spice Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 1175

It would be funny if he managed to convince someone they were of the opposite sex.my friend went to a hypnotists show in September.She said the guy managed to convince a guy he was in labour.
Wish I had seen that.

SpasmTheCat · Resident Stuffed Feline Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 7345

I prefer the darker stuff! Hypnotists shows are way too cheesy...
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