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Squawker
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Me AGAIN! I do apologise - if I don't write down what's going through my head ..... it'll be gone ...
Have we considered Coops as the Middle Man? Centre of Affairs? Centre of Attention? Along those lines anyway .....
My thoughts: Victoria Station .... not the station - the V - Central initial - DVB. Is the station itself 'central'?
London Eye - certainly centre of attraction - also a ring/circle/team.
A diamond - carbon - usually the centre of a ring ...
Buck House - central government
and of course - if I was REALLY convinced here I could say the rabbit theory is not about a rabbit, but a hare - hair - mane = MAIN (= central)!!
Ring leader? Ring master?
N = en = an
O = oh = circle = ring
BACH = master??
Mmmm - no, we're not in the circus, are we?
After that .... I'm stuck - maybe one of you can come up with something?
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| Sqawker wrote: | | Derren's Sidekick? (well, at least there's a Beckham link in there) |
Derren's Substitute? 
I really think that it's going to end up being something simple, but highly specialised. Today, I put my Gil Grissom hat on, and thought 'if I had a phrase that described my job or such, and I had to contract it to one word, how would I go about it?'
The obvious thing would be that the where all the stresses of the word are indicators to the beginnings of the words in the phrase, i.e. 'No', 'Ba', 'Che' and possibly 'Ri', but this depends on entirely how you say it. It might also be phonetic...
It's not worked so far, but hey, I'm trying to look at it from a different point of view!
Now, has anyone seen my Madagascan hissing beetles?
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Squawker
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| SpasmTheCat wrote: | | Sqawker wrote: | | Derren's Sidekick? (well, at least there's a Beckham link in there) |
Derren's Substitute? |
 Yes, I think I said this previously - 'twould be a bit difficult to be Derren's double, wouldn't it?
*waves furiously* - MORNING! I was feeling lonely ...
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SpasmTheCat
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:00 am Post subject: |
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*waves back!*
Hi Squawker!!
Is this a flaming contraction or not, that's what I want to know! Being a 'phrase' that we're looking for would seem to confirm that, but Mr Sir Big Dave didn't confirm we were right in his last post.
If it's not a contraction, or an anagram, or an acronym, then what is it?!?
Is it just a made-up word after all, to describe the REAL reason?
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Yes - I wish he'd tell us how many words - or whatever. At least that would be something to start with. I find I can work out a bundle of their clues - but not fit them in with 'Nobacherie' - or vice versa.
We know it's not an acronym - but I have a feeling part of it is - otherwise, why would he say '10 letters, 10 words'? I don't think the clues give us the explanation of 'nobacherie' per se. I think they explain what it is - do you know what I mean? Hence, the 10 clues will tell us what Nobacherie is!
But do we break down the word itself? He raved about your inspiration over the 'ie' being Coopie, which means Coops = Nobacher. So do we continue along those lines - that if Nobacherie becomes Nobacher, then Cher becomes?, and Noba becomes ? - or whatever ....
He DID say a phrase, didn't he? Not a word? I'm sure he did ...
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Squawker
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Damn! Can't edit so have to post again ...
Spaz - if Nobacherie = Coopie
so Nobachers = Coops?
then ers (errs) = Oops?
Nobach = C
(I know that's not right, but perhaps it's another way to 'attack it'??)
Doesn't really make sense, does it? But I thought all put together it might 'symbolise' his position/station!!
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That was the way I read it from SBD's clue:
Coopie = Coops
Nobacherie = Nobachers
Still not helping, but I like the 'oops'! - shame that 'Nobach' isn't quite 'Carbon' rearranged! 
-goes to have yet another look at clues!-
The 'ers' could mean 'hesitation' too...
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why doesn't someone pm dave and ask him for more clues?
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'Cause you told us all in that mass PM that he was sadistic and like to hurt small animals (like kitty-cats, parrots and hedgehogs)...  
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| Sir Alex Ferguson, in the crappy Man Utd magazine wrote: | | "I had to hire a personal assistant at the beginning of the year to deal with all the nobacherie I couldn't be arsed with. There's so much paperwork what I don't have time to finish. If that hypnotist bloke Darren Brown can have one, so can I." |
This may be untrue.
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| SpasmTheCat wrote: | | 'Cause you told us all in that mass PM that he was sadistic and like to hurt small animals (like kitty-cats, parrots and hedgehogs)... |
he is - don't forget rabbits aswell. where do you think db gets the animals for his taxidermy?
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I don't usually get involved in this kind of thing, but, for reasons that are too long and complicated to explain I spoke to an Afghan person on the phone yesterday - and when they answered they said something very like:
"Nobasher?"
So it could mean "hello?" or "who the fuck are you?" or something like that.
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| Mr Twain wrote: | I don't usually get involved in this kind of thing, but, for reasons that are too long and complicated to explain I spoke to an Afghan person on the phone yesterday - and when they answered they said something very like:
"Nobasher?"
So it could mean "hello?" or "who the fuck are you?" or something like that. |
been buying more poppies again?
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*cant believe she is spending a sunny Sunday afternoon cutting and pasting answers and clues off the internet!*
Deductive logic:
They have consistently refused to indicate how to pronounce nobacherie. So either there's a special way to say it that would make the answer screamingly obvious, or else it has no pronounciation at all because its an acronym / string of letters.
SBD can't believe how we havent already got it; this is because once you know the answer it must be obvious to you; hence have any of us been looking at it from the right angle?
In a proper crossword clue (not done by rank amateurs like this one  ) the inclusion of 'back' would indicate part of the clue is reversed - no = on?
Enrolment at a later stage.......... no way would Coops speak like this naturally, so it must be hiding a more ordinary phrase e.g. "late booking fee". Why be so convoluted? Also, could connect to football and money again.
You could make a load of connections with Derren's "work":
"Fascinating" - has anyone else suggested this just means 'magic'?
"Mcmillan in accounts...." - financial wizzardry? That would also tie in with the London Eye clue because the Treasury is right in front of you (but then so is the Foreign Office)
"Fish and chips." if they are so great they will soon disappear, just like the rest of the Llanfair name.
"Carbon in its purest form" - diamond - pack of cards
*Malaga is not where you think it is" = misdirection
"Greeane was probably one" = rabbit in a hat?
"Explanation" = exposure, as in magic exposure..
10 clues/10 letters and we have 10 fingers - hands? Two handed role?
So is this an oblique reference to Coops being DB's magic assistant ?
Any references to Victoria = Queen = "Its a kind of magic"
"chers" = shares = doesn't give any of DB's secrets away.
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Hehe!
Love the 'magic' explanations - if they're not right, they should be!
'Enrolment at a later stage' almost has 'mental' in it if you remove the 'at'.
Does that count?
-is now saying 'nobacherie' out loud in all different ways and sounding like a proper spaz-
[trekkie]I have a horrible feeling that, if I ever guess this, Q is going to jump out at me and say 'in that one tiny moment when you realised the answer, your mind was open to the infinite possibilities of the Universe'... [/trekkie]
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Oh, you people!
I have just slogged through all 37 pages of this to see if anyone got the answer, and I have officially lost the will to live.
Now, see, that's why I don't often come over to the 'talk about Derren' side of the forum. No, I stick to the 'Chat' thread. Because you are all barking mad, over here!
'Nobacherie' is from the French. It means protection (or lack of it). I don't know what this Cooper chap does - is he a bodyguard?
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| Kissimmee wrote: |
I don't know what this Cooper chap does - is he a bodyguard? |
*bursts out laughing*
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| Mr Twain wrote: | I don't usually get involved in this kind of thing, but, for reasons that are too long and complicated to explain I spoke to an Afghan person on the phone yesterday - and when they answered they said something very like:
"Nobasher?"
So it could mean "hello?" or "who the fuck are you?" or something like that. |
Do you know what the guy you spoke to is called? Because 'Nobasher' could simply be his name - just a thought.
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| SpasmTheCat wrote: |
I've now come to the conclusion that the only thing Coops did was come up with various, exciting ways to prevent Derren from listening to his favourite composer on the bus, hence 'Nobacherie'.
It's a stretch. |
I think it has got to to with Bach as well: Coops trying to prevent Derren from playing Bach music while they are on the road. "No Bach". That is the only reasonable explanation that comes to my mind.
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Problem is, SBD didnt acknowledge the ideas of bacher and Bach when they were first mentioned, which implies they aren't the answer (unless SBD and Coops aren't playing fair) 
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Here's a thought, could it be another name? Something like:
'Norman Bates' Cheeriness' or maybe 'Cheekerie'.
Hmm, I might be thinking of Norman Wisdom. Was Norman Bates cheeky? He did have a nice dress...
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Actually, thinking of names, I've just remembered that Nobby Stiles played for Man United (I only know this because of his history with Preston North End - Yay!)...he was famed for his toothless grin, as I remember.
So could it be Nobby something? (Maybe 'Nobby's Gnashers'? )
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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*hands squawker bottle of gin*
you've been completly sucked in haven't you
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| 101mired wrote: | *hands squawker bottle of gin*
you've been completly sucked in haven't you |
Forget the bottle . . . . . can you buy gin in barrels? 
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yes
*hands spasm barrel of gin and straw*
this may not be true
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